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| ah ok sorry i missed that! frazzled from lack of sleep and 8 week daughter finally asleep on my chest so typing with one finger! so we will be doing the application for citizenship at same time as passport as Benny and others have recently done. so the 3 photos they ask for - is this a total of 3 for the 2 applications? and am presuming that all other supporting docs need only be supplied once to be used in both? apologies for possibly repeating questions - babies fry brains! |
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Location: South Oxfordshire, UK & St. Petersburg, Russia | While the applications for citizenship and a passport can now be lodged at the same time, they are still effectively separate applications so you need to treat them as such.
Supply whatever documents are requested for the citizenship application and another set of documents for the passport application. Obviously this doesn't apply to original documents like passports where you can only provide one original of each. The other exception is your daughter's apostilled birth certificate because the same one will need to be used for the passport application once it has had the relevant Russian citizenship stamps applied to it. As you will be lodging both applications together then I assume they must deal with this internally in some way. When we applied last year you couldn't do both applications together so we had to submit our applications separately, one after the other, so when we got the stamped birth certificate back from the citizenship application we just handed it back again for the passport application along with a photocopy.
You will need 3 passport photos for the citizenship application and another 3 for the passport application, so 6 in total.
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| Ah ok well thanks so much for all the help here. I really appreciate it and I will do the same for someone else some day when I am an old hand! We are going on 14th June so fingers crossed all will be ok! |
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Location: South Oxfordshire, UK & St. Petersburg, Russia | No worries. Good luck on the 14th  |
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| Thanks Gary. Fingers crossed. One final question (i hope). Do they STILL request that you have to go back to London to collect in person once ready? It is an 8 hour round trip for me and a real PITA! |
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Location: South Oxfordshire, UK & St. Petersburg, Russia | It's still an archaic system with no postal option so collection in person only unfortunately. |
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| Ok Gary well hopefully we can do as Benny did and apply for both passport and citizenship at the same time. Looks like Benny's 5 weeks processing for both applications is the quickest one can expect. Anyone else had them processed faster than this? I ask as we already have flights booked to visit Russia in July and think that we are probably cutting it extremely fine! We booked the flights before we knew we would have such a ridiculously long wait to get an appointment at the Embassyso we will firmly stress this point to them!
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| Just decided to postpone applying for child passport and citizenship until after we get back from Russia as we only had 5 weeks from date of application until flight to Russia which sounds as though that would have been pushing things too much (and too stressful during the waiting without knowing!). Flights were total bargains so non-refundable. Will use trip to London on Tuesday to go to the visa application centre to get our daughter a visa for first visit. Also will visit Bulgarian Embassy as need to get a visa for my wife to visit there later in the year (even though she is married to me and EU citizen!). The joys of bureacracy! |
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| Hi everyone,
I am really sorry if my questions have already been answered in previous posts, but I have looked through all of them and have not seen any relative information.
1. Do I need to go through the same application process and submit the same documents if I just want to add my baby's name to my Russian passport (don't need Russian passport for my baby)?
2. Do I need baby's father permission for that as well?
3. Has anyone had an experience of submitting a newly issued Russian passport with no ILR/visa in it + expired Russian passport with valid ILR in it? Would it be possible? I don't want to show my British passport.
Thank you very much for all your help.
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Location: South Oxfordshire, UK & St. Petersburg, Russia | babyjaguar - 2011-12-05 9:14 PM
I am really sorry if my questions have already been answered in previous posts, but I have looked through all of them and have not seen any relative information.
1. Do I need to go through the same application process and submit the same documents if I just want to add my baby's name to my Russian passport (don't need Russian passport for my baby)?
2. Do I need baby's father permission for that as well?
3. Has anyone had an experience of submitting a newly issued Russian passport with no ILR/visa in it + expired Russian passport with valid ILR in it? Would it be possible? I don't want to show my British passport.
1. The rules changed a while back. A baby must now have their own passport and can no longer be put into the mother's passport.
2. The father's permission is only required for the Russian citizenship application (which is needed before your baby can have his/her own Russian passport). Once Russian citizenship is gained, you just fill out and submit an application form for a Russian passport for your baby. There is no specific permission needed for that because the baby is automatically entitled to a Russian passport without any specific permission once he/she has Russian citizenship. With the baby being a minor, the application just needs the signature of one of the legal guardians (usually the mother).
3. Shouldn't be an issue at all. The only requirement is to show that you have legal right to reside in the UK. It shouldn't make any difference that the ILR visa is in an expired passport. The ILR visa itself is still valid and if the Embassy staff try and be awkward then you need to point out that the visa itself is still a valid legal document granting you right to stay in the UK which is all the requirement asks for.
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| Thank you, GaryM:-) It was most helpful. |
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| Really sorry to bother everyone again. I am wondering whether there is any form exists for a father (British citizen) giving his permission for a baby to have a Russian citizenship or is it just a free letter? "I am such and such give my permission...."... Should it be translated to Russian as well? Thank you! |
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Location: South Oxfordshire, UK & St. Petersburg, Russia | No letter needed - they give you a form to sign at the Russian Embassy when you submit your baby's citizenship application and the father just has to sign this form in their presence. It's already in Russian so there is nothing to translate or notarise |
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Location: Kent | Trust me when I say, do it in the UK. I have just done it in Russia and its like pulling teeth. Its sooooo long winded and expensive with translations, interpreters, and notaries. And it take 6 months just for the citizenship go be granted. It does not include the passport. Thats another week of queuing at the UFMS or 5000 rubles at an agency. I have'nt the will yet ! |
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| GaryM - 2012-04-11 1:18 PM
No letter needed - they give you a form to sign at the Russian Embassy when you submit your baby's citizenship application and the father just has to sign this form in their presence. It's already in Russian so there is nothing to translate or notarise
Thank you, GaryM. Would it be an English translation as well? Cause I would not sign anything in foreign language which I can not read, so why would baby's father? |
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| simon - 2012-04-11 1:52 PM
Trust me when I say, do it in the UK. I have just done it in Russia and its like pulling teeth. Its sooooo long winded and expensive with translations, interpreters, and notaries. And it take 6 months just for the citizenship go be granted. It does not include the passport. Thats another week of queuing at the UFMS or 5000 rubles at an agency. I have'nt the will yet !
I guess if baby is born in the UK, you don't have much choice and have to apply for everything in the UK. Cause it's almost impossible now to get a tourist visa for a baby if one of the parents has Russian citizenship. |
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Location: South Oxfordshire, UK & St. Petersburg, Russia | babyjaguar - 2012-04-25 8:35 PM
Thank you, GaryM. Would it be an English translation as well? Cause I would not sign anything in foreign language which I can not read, so why would baby's father?
I have to be honest and say I don't actually remember myself...I just remember signing on the dotted line. However, I just asked my wife and she said there was actually a translation in English provided so I knew what I was signing. |
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| Hi everyone, I am new here
does anyone know if the Consulate will return the original birth certificate that has been translated and legalized?
I know this question has somehow been covered in this topic, but I would like to be 100% sure that in the end the certificate get's returned
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Location: South Oxfordshire, UK & St. Petersburg, Russia | ksenia87 - 2012-07-17 4:04 PM
does anyone know if the Consulate will return the original birth certificate that has been translated and legalized?
Yes, the Russian consulate gives the original birth certificate back to you |
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| thank you very much for your information
but what about the certified translation? That's what I am really worried about as I might need the certified translation for future use in Russia. If they don't return it I might then ask for 2 certified translations |
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Location: South Oxfordshire, UK & St. Petersburg, Russia | ksenia87 - 2012-07-18 4:07 PM
but what about the certified translation? That's what I am really worried about as I might need the certified translation for future use in Russia. If they don't return it I might then ask for 2 certified translations
Just to clear thing up, this is how it works:-
1. Before you can apply for citizenship for your baby, you need to get an ORIGINAL UK birth certificate apostilled by the FCO in Milton Keynes. They attach an appostille slip to the back of the birth certificate and use an embossing stamp through both the certificate and the apostille to prove the legalisation is authentic.
2. Once this is done you then you get both the birth certificate (and apostille attached to the back of it) translated into Russian by a certified translator. We used Yelena at Talk Russian to do this for us.
3. When you submit your baby's citizenship application to the Russian consulate, you give the the ORIGINAL apostilled birth certificate AND also the certified translation of the certificate / apostille.
4. The Russian consulate then put Russian citizenship stamps on the back of the certified translation of the birth certificate / apostille and they STAPLE the original apostilled birth certificate to the certified translation that contains the Russian citizenship stamps. The staple is then sealed with a stamp added so that all documents are then permanently attached to each other and can't be tampered with.
What you get given back is the stapled together documents mentioned in step 4, so the ORIGINAL apostilled birth certificate with the certified translations stapled to it containing the Russian citizenship stamps on the back. You get these when you go back to collect the paperwork (approximately 4 weeks after submitting the application). This is all you need if you ever have to prove your baby's Russian citizenship to the Russian authorities for any reason (make sure you keep it somewhere very safe and NEVER lose it). Therefore, you won't need to get 2 certified translations done.
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| Morning everyone! I am wondering whether I need to book a separate appointment for my partner so he can give his permission for our son's russian citizenship? Or I just need to book one appointment for myself and he can come in with me? Anybody knows? Thank you. |
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Location: South Oxfordshire, UK & St. Petersburg, Russia | You book one appointment and both go together. |
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| GaryM - 2012-09-06 10:48 AM
You book one appointment and both go together.
Thank you. |
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