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Location: Newcastle | Hi.
I've looked at the past posts on this subject before querying, but would be really grateful for some definitive advice  about registration. I will be in Russia from 2 April to 18 April, and am not sure if any of the stays requires my visa to be registered. Here's a brief list of the itinerary, I hope it's not too long a question?
Okay, my general understanding is as follows: I register wherever my stay equals or exceeds three full working days - not including day of arrival or day of departure. Am I right, or totally out to lunch?
2/4/10 is the day we arrive in Moscow (it's a Friday) and we will be travelling to Riazan on Monday 5th. As I read the rules (and if I'm wrong, put me right) - I shall not have to register as there are no full working days on that stop. I'll be staying in an apartment I rented. Right or wrong?
5/5/10 - 7/4/10 - in Riazan in Hotel accommodation - I think registration is not required as only one full working day of residence. Am I right?
7/4/10 - 9/4/10 In Sergiev Posad in a homestay. I think registration is not required as again, I will only be resident for one full working day. Right/wrong?
9/4/10 - 11/4/10 in Pereslavl-Zalessky in hotel. I think registration is not required as again, only there for non-working day (barring day of arrival, which I think doesn't count). Right/wrong?
11/4/10 - 14/4/10 in Yaroslavl in homestay. Only there for two working days if you exclude my arrival on a Sunday and my departure date as not counting. Therefore no reqistration required. Right/wrong?
14/4/10 - 16/4/10 in Vologda in homestay. Only there for one working day if you discount my arrival and departure days. Right/wrong?
16/4/10 - 17/4/10 Overnight sleeper to Moscow.
17/4/10 - 18/4/10 In Moscow in Hotel - as these are weekend dates, there is no need to register. Right/wrong?
Over and above the other detail is I'm not clear whether you MUST register at some point, notwithstanding individual stopping place details on the itinerary.
Reasons for needing to know - it'll affect my travel times when I go to Riazan if I have to factor in registration trip and so when I book train travel later this month, I can know if I can be more flexible. And for the paramount reason of not wishing to fall foul of the law!
Any advice would be very helpful, thanks in advance!
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Location: Leicester | If it was me then personally i'd register the visa for the duration (up until the 18th) in Moscow before travelling on to Riazan on the Monday. Peace of mind and no worries of a situation arising when you depart back through passport control on your way home. You can register the visa at Real Russia's offices in Moscow (no i don't work for them) or perhaps a hotel will take the trouble to register the visa for you for a fee. Registration fees are small in comparison to the trouble and fines you could end up with.
Have a nice trip!
Gary.
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Location: When at home either Sakhalin Island or Scotland | Hi.
To be honest I am not too sure about excluding the arrival day it has never been an issue because I have never done such a whirlwind tour. Registration in hotels is normally automatic, done along with he check-in procedure (at least that is the case in every hotel that I have stayed in). Here is a copy of the registration requirements (from the back of the migration card).
I would also suggest that you prepare a few copies of your passport (data age + page with Russian visa) and a few copies of the "Anket" (registration form) and take them with you that way if you do need to register you will have most of the documents that you need to provide (the only document that you cannot pr-prepare is the stamped migration card). For a copy of the "Anket" http://www.realrussia.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=2546&posts=3&start=1 Of course another option would be to register with Real Russia in Moscow and because of you multiple destinations and short stays you should be OK.
What ever you do make sure that you keep all your travel tickets, that way if any questions are asked you have proof that you are travelling. |
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Location: West London | Juine: welcome.
First, I'm not sure how you can register at any place (hotel, that is) for longer than you are staying there. Different with one of the pay-for-it agencies which pretends the hotel you are in.
Second, if you do register, then on the day of departure from RUS (or, come to think, from Yaroslavl or Vologda) by definition you can not be 'punished' for not having the registration paper with you, since your host has to have it to return it. On the way independently to an airport or station you could not have the paper. Unless you in one of those rare areas where special conditions apply (see recent posts for difficult places), areas where they ALSO stamp the back of the immigration card second part. This was an idea that came into force around 9 months ago, and was then, as I understand it, abolished. Certainly in St P they don't, and RR in Moscow could not register you by email if they had to have the physical immigration card to hand.
Seems to me that your itinerary leaves you clean and with no need to register in any one place: but the fact that on arrival in Moscow (Friday) the offices will be closed Saturday and Sunday will absolve you and anyway they are not working days: and the fact that the hotel will automatically register you in Riazan will suggest that you were not evading registration. More, if the computer system matches arrivals against registrations, then (with the future in mind) you'll be in good visa health.
Enjoy the trip. Sounds hectic but exciting. I remember Sergei Posad vividly for a visit at the Russian Easter.
Michael
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Location: Volgograd & Moscow | [quote[Okay, my general understanding is as follows: I register wherever my stay equals or exceeds three full working days - not including day of arrival or day of departure. Am I right, or totally out to lunch?
Nope, not out to lunch (maybe a light snack) but that information is fine.
If it was me then personally i'd register the visa for the duration (up until the 18th) in Moscow before travelling on to Riazan on the Monday. Peace of mind and no worries of a situation arising when you depart back through passport control on your way home. You can register the visa at Real Russia's offices in Moscow (no i don't work for them) or perhaps a hotel will take the trouble to register the visa for you for a fee. Registration fees are small in comparison to the trouble and fines you could end up with.
Exactly what I would say, you can now register by email again if needed and, while "technically" you dont need to register the militia can make your life miserable if they choose to if you havn't registered (especially Volgoga) - when you register with us, we will register the visa and deregister it for automatically, you have a copy of the documents (not the original) so no worries if you loose it, you can ask us to email you another.
Different with one of the pay-for-it agencies which pretends the hotel you are in.
Nope, we register people with our local address, not a hotel - that would be wrong 
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Location: Volgograd & Moscow | ah forgot the URL if you needed it:
http://www.realrussia.co.uk/visa/register_visas2.asp#q2
also, if you order the visa through us, you have the option to order and pre-pay for the registration.
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Location: Newcastle | Thanks to everyone for your helpful advice. I shall certainly register through Real Russia (and in fact took that option when I got my visa from them) - the issue was a timesaving one, and when weighing the question of earlier or later train against detention by the authorities it isn't really a tough choice, is it?
I'd sooner spend the time looking at 16th Century churches and fortifications than touring the Russian penal system from the inside, ta.
My best wishes. |
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Location: Volgograd & Moscow | have fun! |
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Location: When at home either Sakhalin Island or Scotland | juned01 - 2010-02-08 8:28 PM
Thanks to everyone for your helpful advice. I shall certainly register through Real Russia (and in fact took that option when I got my visa from them) - the issue was a timesaving one, and when weighing the question of earlier or later train against detention by the authorities it isn't really a tough choice, is it?
I'd sooner spend the time looking at 16th Century churches and fortifications than touring the Russian penal system from the inside, ta.
My best wishes.
Why bother with 16th century churches and fortifications when you can have a free tour of the Russian penal system?  
Please read this with a sense of humour.
Edited by Rasboinik 2010-02-08 12:19 PM
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Location: In the Windmills of my mind... | Rasboinik - 2010-02-08 5:18 PM juned01 - 2010-02-08 8:28 PM Thanks to everyone for your helpful advice. I shall certainly register through Real Russia (and in fact took that option when I got my visa from them) - the issue was a timesaving one, and when weighing the question of earlier or later train against detention by the authorities it isn't really a tough choice, is it? I'd sooner spend the time looking at 16th Century churches and fortifications than touring the Russian penal system from the inside, ta. My best wishes. Why bother with 16th century churches and fortifications when you can have a free tour of the Russian penal system? Please read this with a sense of humour. You took the words right out of my mouth.............. Free gruel-water, 3 times a day.......... Enjoy your trip ...... |
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Location: Newcastle | Rasboinik - 2010-02-08 12:18 PM
Why bother with 16th century churches and fortifications when you can have a free tour of the Russian penal system?
Please read this with a sense of humour.
Giggled when reading - thanks very much!
But I don't think brown prison uniform's my colour... |
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Location: In the Windmills of my mind... | juned01 - 2010-02-12 1:53 AM Rasboinik - 2010-02-08 12:18 PM Why bother with 16th century churches and fortifications when you can have a free tour of the Russian penal system? Please read this with a sense of humour. Giggled when reading - thanks very much! But I don't think brown prison uniform's my colour... They do a very pretty blue & white striped uniform, complete with matching hat/cap/beret in Siberia............. |
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Location: When at home either Sakhalin Island or Scotland | Mel - 2010-02-12 7:03 AM
juned01 - 2010-02-12 1:53 AM Rasboinik - 2010-02-08 12:18 PM Why bother with 16th century churches and fortifications when you can have a free tour of the Russian penal system? Please read this with a sense of humour. Giggled when reading - thanks very much! But I don't think brown prison uniform's my colour... They do a very pretty blue & white striped uniform, complete with matching hat/cap/beret in Siberia.............
On Sakhalin they also provide free transport.
Sightseeing though is a bit of a problem 
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Location: Liverpool | Strangely I will be in Yaroslavl at the same time as June (arriving 09/04/10 and leaving 14/04/10) staying with my fiancee at her home. I will arrive in Moscow on 07/04/10 and travel to Yaroslavl on 09/04/10. I will be staying at an aparthotel in Moscow for the 2 nights before travelling onto Yaroslavl. Will the hotel register my visa as I'm only staying 2 nights or should I register it myself in Yaroslavl? |
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Location: When at home either Sakhalin Island or Scotland | If you are staying in a hotel the hotel will register you as part of the checking-in process, see the third post on this thread (the back of the migration card) but they will also de-register you upon departure.
So you must re-register in Yaroslavl it is quite easy to do at the post office (there is a thread about it on this forum).
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