Posted 2012-04-24 7:11 AM (#50436) Subject: Spouse/ dependant visa submitted
We have finally submitted our visas today. Spouse visa for me and dependant visa for my child. Here is a quick run through of what we submitted. Please anyone to advise if this list seems ok for the visas of both me and my child? And also did I need to include the father to my childs passport?
Spouse Visa (sponsor)
1. Sponsors bank statements
2. Sponsors pay slips
3. Sponsor passport Bio Page
4. Sponsor birth certificate
5. Sponsor Letter of introduction
6. Mortgage statements
9. Land registry documents
10. pics during my visits to him and his visits to me
11. our wedding pictures
12. divorce certificates
13. Letter from the mother confirming our relationship
1. bank statements
4. copy of old passports with schengen visa stamps in (copy)
5. Divorce certificaten (original and copy)
6. Marriage certificate ( orginal and copy)
7. letter of introduction
8. Gmail chat logs, phone call logs
9. letter from applicants father (my dad) confirming relationship betweeen the two of us (sponsor and applicant)
10. Letter from my employers comfirming work
12. My school certificates
Dependant (child) visa application documents
1. Consent letter by ther childs father (nortarized) original and copy
2. Letter of introduction by the childs father (explaining why he has consented)
4. My payslips and sponsors pay slips (the step father)
5. Official Land registry (copy)
6. Child with step father pictures
8. Letter of introduction by me the mother
9. Childs birth certificate (original and copy)
10. Mortgage statements (copies)
11. Step fathers bank statements and mine
12. Letter from my employers stating that she is on my medical scheme because am her guardian
Posted 2012-04-25 4:42 PM (#50479 - in reply to #50436) Subject: Re: Spouse/ dependant visa submitted
Location: Redcar & Lermontov Nr Pyatigorsk
I'm assuming that Mother and Child are seeking to come to the UK. This all looks ok, very thorough. I hope that you placed everything into bite-sized pieces for the ECO. They are such nice people with so little time for each application.
Good Luck - dont forget to come back and tell us when the Visas come through, we all crave for happy stories...
Posted 2012-04-25 5:33 PM (#50480 - in reply to #50436) Subject: Re: Spouse/ dependant visa submitted
I would say you have enclosed way way too much, I can't honestly begin to think how many pages were enclosed in your application, we used Real Russia and I think I had about 70 pages to begin with and they trimmed it down to 40-50 pages including everything, bearing in mind 6 pages would be for bank statements for each month, 6 pages for saving accounts, 6 pages for wage slips, around 4-5 photos and 4-5 emails (this itself takes up nearly 30 pages of our 40 pages). We didn't enclose any phone chat, skype chats, the emails were at the start, middle and end of relationship.
What you have to take into account the person who looks at your application will have a job where they are expected to do a certain amount of visa applications per week, this will mean there will be an average time spent reviewing a case (let's say 1 hour) because you have enclosed so much it might mean some of the information which would support your case is going to get missed with your School Certificates! I don't know who told you told to enclose your School Certificates lol? You might as well have enclosed any Swimming Certificates and any medals you had won at Sport, you know it's for a visa application and not a job interview!
Posted 2012-04-26 7:23 AM (#50490 - in reply to #50436) Subject: RE: Spouse/ dependant visa submitted
Hi, yes we gave them more because we did not want to miss out anything at all. As for the ECO missing out important documents, I made the documents arranged according to importance/priority, and the documents that we just added 'just in case' where all at the bottom, so am certain they will see all the important documents, and also we put in each application a 'table of content' so the ECO is guided accordingly. We are applying from Zambia.... day 2 since we submitted our application! Fingers crossed, I wonder how long they will take to give us feedback.....
Posted 2012-04-26 1:21 PM (#50496 - in reply to #50480) Subject: Re: Spouse/ dependant visa submitted
CDG may have more experience of these things than me, but I don't agree with the view that you've submitted too much. Sure, it's pointless to include things that can't have any bearing on the outcome of your application (and I don't know if school certificates do or don't fall into that category if you don't have any further/higher education qualifications), but if in doubt I think the sensible thing is to include it. One thing that is certain is that you can't be penalised for submitting too much - you can certainly be penalised for submitting too little. If an ECO misses something important you included in your application because they were distracted by frivolous documents, that decision is challengeable on the basis that relevant considerations were not taken into account.
The other thing I would say is that (and again, I qualify this by emphasising I don't have much experience of all this) I don't think you can say X number of pages is acceptable, Y number of pages is not. There's isn't a one-size-fits-all. If, as was the case with our application, your income comes from a lot of different sources, then you're unavoidably going to have to include more paperwork with your application. Ditto if you have any complicating family circumstances, etc.
Posted 2012-04-26 8:06 PM (#50507 - in reply to #50496) Subject: Re: Spouse/ dependant visa submitted
Location: When at home either Sakhalin Island or Scotland
I 100% agree with
st2012 - 2012-04-26 11:21 PM There's isn't a one-size-fits-all. If, as was the case with our application, your income comes from a lot of different sources, then you're unavoidably going to have to include more paperwork with your application. Ditto if you have any complicating family circumstances, etc.
But there is another issue here and that issue is submitting documents that are not required. For example including school certificates.
When applying for a spouse / dependant visa the key issues are:
The relationship is a real relationship.
For example not a marriage of convenience.
The sponsor can provide for the spouse and dependant.
The sponsors financial status so that the ECO can confirm that the spouse and or the dependant will not become a burden on the state
For a dependant (child).
Permission from the "other" parent.
Documents proving that the child is dependant on the visa applicant.
As CDG pointed out the ECO (Entry Clearance Officer) has a work load and they need to review as many applications as possible during their working day, so by including superfluous documents the applicant runs the risk of their application taking much longer.
Yes for a more complicated the situation there are more documents than need to be included.
But I am quite sure that as soon as the ECO comes across superfluous documents then the application goes to the bottom of the pile.
"Why has this been included?"
"What are they trying to hide?" "I need more time to double check everything but at the moment I am busy so I will continue the checking when I have less of a work-load"
CDG replied while my post / reply was being written